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Name:   GoneFishin - Email Member
Subject:   Significant Poll Shows Overwhelming Lead 4 Obama
Date:   8/4/2012 5:57:59 PM

Americans are fairly divided on President Obama’s handling of important issues like the economy, but there’s at least one thing that they trust him to do, especially over rival Mitt Romney – handle an alien invasion. According to a new National Geographic poll, a total of 65% of Americans think that President Barack Obama is better-equipped to handle an alien invasion than presidential hopeful and Republican rival Mitt Romney.



Name:   water_watcher - Email Member
Subject:   would have to agree
Date:   8/4/2012 6:59:22 PM (updated 8/4/2012 7:01:15 PM)

Maybe they will take him back to what ever planet he came from and save america. 

Because the most trusted poll Rasmussen has romney up by 2-3%  with the trend growing more toward Romney ... that is why Oblamer is so scared.  





Name:   Casey - Email Member
Subject:   would have to agree
Date:   8/4/2012 7:34:45 PM


Rasmussen poll?  Most trusted?  Really?

http://www.examiner.com/article/rasmussen-now-only-national-poll-showing-romney-the-lead

 

http://www.mediaite.com/online/bloomberg-poll-president-leads-romney-by-13-points-near-majority-say-they-are-better-off-under-obama/

 

 

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/16/1075132/-Rasmussen-s-GOP-Friendly-Polls-Just-Say-No

 

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/04/rasmussen-polls-were-biased-and-inaccurate-quinnipiac-surveyusa-performed-strongly/

 





Name:   comrade - Email Member
Subject:   would have to agree
Date:   8/4/2012 8:15:55 PM

Awesome Googleing...



Name:   MartiniMan - Email Member
Subject:   Yep, they are the best right now
Date:   8/4/2012 8:20:39 PM

Actually yes, they are the most accurate. Look at how they did in 2008 and 2010. Most accurate for sure in estimating election day results. Your sources criticizing Rasmussen are mostly left wing nuts. But I will repeat what I have often said, the only one that matters is the first Tuesday in November and TOTUS' chances of reelection are better than even. But don't doubt Rasmussen.



Name:   Barneget - Email Member
Subject:   would have to agree you are right....
Date:   8/4/2012 8:23:07 PM

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Heck, the chooming, dog dining, butt pirating, racist, wealth redistributing, America hating, economically illiterate, constitutionally ignorant, commie Kenyan is so far ahead in the polls it looks like he can carry it with only a handful of the dead and brain dead actually getting out to vote for him. Rasmussen nailed the Wisconsin recall which quinipiac had the challenger winning, accurately forecast the 2010 Congressional election while gallup had R gains at half actual, and was within .025 of 2008 presidential race outcome. Spending all of your time at Politico just isn't healthy but who am I to judge.....



Name:   GoneFishin - Email Member
Subject:   Barnacle, You Are So Honest
Date:   8/4/2012 8:58:43 PM

Finally, the truth is spoken "who am I to judge....". You finally got it.



Name:   Barneget - Email Member
Subject:   Thanks Chum,
Date:   8/4/2012 9:10:35 PM

True that. Keep reading my stuff as you can't look to the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, the people he surrounds himself with, or the democommieprog news aggregators for anything resembling the truth. But, who am I to judge.



Name:   water_watcher - Email Member
Subject:   Casey
Date:   8/5/2012 7:02:06 AM


Yes ... they do the most statistically accurate polling, judged by the the final results vs their polls.   You can save time in your internet searches and just look at the results.   The liberal media that is part of the Oblamer administration, consistently over samples democrats and african american voters.  

Look at the WI Scott Walker election ... all the final polls of the ADC, NBC & CBS had it a "toss up" .... Rasmusssen final poll was a 7 or 8% win by Walker ... he was not only right, he was on the low side.

So what poll do you rely upon?   The one that makes you feel good, but is not accurate.

Now let me ask you since fishy can not think of anything .... What has Oblamer done that you feel has benefitted the middle class that you would want 4 more years of this disaster?





Name:   MAJ USA RET - Email Member
Subject:   n = N / (1 + (N * e^2))
Date:   8/5/2012 8:26:30 AM (updated 8/5/2012 9:08:32 AM)

So… How do you design a poll?  Well, here is the standard formula for determining the representative, random, sample size for an entire population.

 

n =  N / (1 + (N * e^2))   

 

WHERE:

n = sample population – This is the number of voters you need to RANDOM sample – if it is not random your results are skewed( i.e. Pew, CNBC, Fox News, et al).  EXAMPLES:  If conservative people are less likely to respond to a poll, then your results are skewed liberal. If left brained people are less likely to reveal their thoughts, then you will oversample artsy folks… and under represent engineering types.  The electoral college system also skews the results.

 

N = Total number of voters in the nation - From the 2008 election this number is 131M (http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/voting/cb09-110.html )

 

e = precision  (+/- %) We are going to call this 3%.  Elections are won by less than 1% but, you  should try to complete sampling based on 1%... good luck with that!

 

And, confidence level is 95%.   We want to be 95% sure our sample represents the entire voting population. The formula is based on 95%.  (There are other formulae; see http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/pd006 .  But, this is the standard.)

 

THEREFORE:

 

n =  131,000,000 / (1 + (131,000,000 * 0.03^2))   = 1,111 registered voters

 

The next two tests come from education.

 

Is the question valid?  Example:  Is your pet dog black or white?  What if you don’t have a dog?  What if your dog is brown… or spotted?  You cannot ask a true-false or a yes-no question when a subjective (essay) answer is required.

 

Is the question reliable?    Does it test for the condition you are sampling?  One of the greatest problems with political poling is the delivery of the question: “Mitt Romney’s father released 12 years of his taxes.  Mitt Romney has released only two years of his taxes. Is Mitt Romney hiding something from the American people?”  As we all know, both sides of the presidential race are being accused of being dishonest. This question does not measure anything but emotion.

 

SO, where do the polls differ.  Well, they

 

a) are not so random

b) they fail to be precise (What good is +/- 10%?)

c) they don’t sample enough registered voters (or the respondents are not truthful)

d) they don’t ask a valid question

e) the responses don’t measure the condition being surveyed.

 

Sorry… I am a geophysicist… what do you want the answer to be?

 





Name:   MAJ USA RET - Email Member
Subject:   n = N / (1 + (N * 0.01^2))
Date:   8/5/2012 8:28:15 AM (updated 8/5/2012 8:33:51 AM)

 PS: Where e = +/- 1%  n = 9,999 samples





Name:   GoneFishin - Email Member
Subject:   n = N / (1 + (N * 0.01^2))
Date:   8/5/2012 11:57:27 AM

I follow you up to the 9,999. Why 9,999???



Name:   MAJ USA RET - Email Member
Subject:   n = N / (1 + (N * 0.01^2))
Date:   8/5/2012 1:51:09 PM


Fishy... even though +/- 1% is HIGHLY significant though unattainable in sampling over a period of 3 or 4 days... I did the math for you.  Try it.

Just like +/- 20% gives you a sample size of 25... meaningless.




Name:   GoneFishin - Email Member
Subject:   n = N / (1 + (N * 0.01^2))
Date:   8/5/2012 2:00:58 PM

I did and results are interesting. I am sure the wing nuts will agree but they are so quiet when It comes to anything but guns and gays.



Name:   Barneget - Email Member
Subject:   Busted me GF
Date:   8/5/2012 3:54:22 PM

Spent most of Friday parked outside the local CFA hoping to catch sight of a couple young hotties protesting at the "kiss in" but came away totally disappointed. Yesterday, the family and I went through a 7 hour personal defense refresher. Had 2 ex Blackwater contractors lead us. Time and money well spent. I love the smell of gunpowder. Still a little sore from pushing 350 through the .45 and my thumbs look kind of like they belong to Richie Havens from all of the reloads.



Name:   GoneFishin - Email Member
Subject:   Busted me GF
Date:   8/5/2012 10:41:13 PM

Were "hotties" you were looking for male or females? Jus askin......I sleep nites knowing you are well armed and well trained.



Name:   MartiniMan - Email Member
Subject:   Favorite geophysics joke
Date:   8/6/2012 9:58:20 AM

If you ask an engineer what is 2+2 they will answer 4.000000 If you ask a geologist what is 2+2 they will answer around 4 If you ask a geophysicist what is 2+2 they will ask what do you want it to be?



Name:   Summer Lover - Email Member
Subject:   Busted me GF
Date:   8/6/2012 3:12:11 PM

7 boxes in one day??? Out of my full-sized 1911, my hands would be bruised and battered, out of the 25 oz. compact, add in a twisted wrist and sore forearms... It would take days for the smile to go away though...



Name:   Barneget - Email Member
Subject:   Busted me GF
Date:   8/6/2012 6:14:27 PM

Right there with you. Bought a Kimber 1911 earlier this year and Saturday was my first time out with it. Thought it was too pretty to dirty up but boy was I wrong. Cleaned it, and all the others, last night and the Kimber has replaced the S&W model 99 in the belly band. The 99 is the one carried for more than 10 years as it had better fit and feel resulting in greater accuracy than the varety of Glocks and Rugers that have come and gone over that time frame. 350 through the Kimber, nothing remotely resembling a malfunction, not a single ftf or fte. And yes, the body aches are nothing compared to the pain in the cheeks. It will be days, maybe weeks, before this smile fades.







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