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LifeTime Laker
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9/13/2007 4:01:58 PM
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1) Years ago rumors related to the much debated water wars suggested that Lake Martin might lose considerable footage. Could we now be losing that war? Are we being prepared to never reach 490 again? Does anyone know what happened when the governors of Al, Fl, and Ga met (or if they ever all met)?
Anything you hear on the 'water wars' is much more likely to be rumor than fact. I don't think the govs got together but appointed officials have met several times. Efforts have been made to seperate the the 3 river systems involved into seperate cases. I don't think this is feasable. Especially the Coosa - Tallapoosa systems. As we saw this summer, the two are linked together because they merge to form the Alabama. It takes both to supply downstream flows. We will reach full pool again. Not to worry in that regards.
2) Is it possible that global warming and ongoing drought conditions may be semi-permanent and that the lake will not even reach 485 let alone remain there all winter?
It was posted a while back that we have not reached 'average' rainfall in the past ten years, yet the lake has been filled 8 of those 10 years. 2000 was also a severe drought year, but we had a lot more water that year than we have this year. And don't get me started on Global Warming. It is complete hysteria. This drought cycle may continue for another year or so, but trust me, the rains will come. 1980 was the wettest year, but it was a one year anomily, like this drought. We had so much water the dam actually overflowed and washed out the bridge below. Apco wants to fill the lake as much or even more than we do. To most of us it is recreation ( a few depend on the lake for their income ), to APCO it is revenue. The lake has been drawn down 50 ft and filled in a year more than once.
3) If the lake was constructed for the creation of electricity (and presumeably storage for water for survival), is it wise to fight each other for who will consume it most foolishly? I have no faith that the officials at Al Power have any more sense than the rest of us who are devouring this resource for recreational and financial purposes. We're all so angry with a small-town mayor for allowing sewage to be dumped in the lake, yet it seems most of us want it preserved so we can race our boats up and down and dump fuel and garbage in it (and teach our grandchildren to do the same). Is anyone thinking about the water crisis we will likely face in the near future?
Rest assured that APCO does have highly qualified experts that they pay very well to look after the best interest of the lakes and rivers of Alabama. These same lakes and rivers are a main source of revenue for them. Why would they NOT look after them. And not all of us are angry at the mayor for the incidental dumping that occured. Some of us are rational, and understand the complexities of that situation, but your point is not lost in regards to pollution.
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8hcap
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9/13/2007 4:16:48 PM
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LTL, you ignored the left wing agenda of extasypoint except for your reference to the hysteria of global warming proponents.
I and 99.9% of the property owners and lake users are teaching our grandchildren exactly the opposite of dumping garbage and gasoline in our precious resource. I know a lot of us stop to pick up trash out of the water and a large number of people participate in the various lake clean-up projects.
Devouring the resource for recreational and business purposes - I am sure EP wants to take all our property and ban the use of the lake by people.
Consume the lake foolishly? What?????
I so agree with EP on the insults - it gets very tiresome, but keep the sexest and politically incorrect jokes and football wars flowing like the Tallapoosa in 1980.
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Kizma Anuice
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9/13/2007 4:30:32 PM
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LTL I did in caps to your comments what you did to the press release.
I only half anuice did it because you always do things half cocked and half anuice.
1) Years ago rumors related to the much debated water wars suggested that Lake Martin might lose considerable footage. Could we now be losing that war? Are we being prepared to never reach 490 again? Does anyone know what happened when the governors of Al, Fl, and Ga met (or if they ever all met)?
Anything you hear on the 'water wars' is much more likely to be rumor than fact. (IS THIS YOUR OPINION OR DO YOU HAVE FACTS, IF SO STATE THEM AND THEIR SOURCE)I don't think(WHO CARES WHAT YOU THINK) the govs got together but appointed officials have met several times. Efforts have been made to seperate the the 3 river systems(WHAT THREE RIVER SYSTEMS?) involved into seperate cases. I don't think this is feasable. Especially the Coosa - Tallapoosa systems. As we saw this summer, the two are linked together because they merge to form the Alabama. It takes both to supply downstream flows. We will reach full pool again.(IS THIS YOUR OPINION OR DID APCO AND GOD TELL YOU THIS) Not to worry in that regards.
2) Is it possible that global warming and ongoing drought conditions may be semi-permanent and that the lake will not even reach 485 let alone remain there all winter?
It was posted (DOES POSTING IT MAKE IT SO)a while back that we have not reached 'average' rainfall in the past ten years, yet the lake has been filled 8 of those 10 years(WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR STATISTICS OUT OF YOUR ANUICE). 2000 was also a severe drought year, but we had a lot more water that year than we have this year. And don't get me started on Global Warming. It is complete hysteria. This drought cycle may continue for another year or so, but trust me, the rains will come. 1980 was the wettest year, but it was a one year anomily, like this drought. We had so much water the dam actually overflowed and washed out the bridge below. Apco wants to fill the lake as much or even more than we do. (DID THEY DISCUSS THIS WITH YOU)To most of us it is recreation ( a few depend on the lake for their income ), to APCO it is revenue. The lake has been drawn down 50 ft and filled in a year more than once.
3) If the lake was constructed for the creation of electricity (and presumeably storage for water for survival), is it wise to fight each other for who will consume it most foolishly? I have no faith that the officials at Al Power have any more sense than the rest of us who are devouring (WHAT DO YOU MEAN DEVOURING? IS SWIMMING FISHING AND BOATING DEVOURING?)this resource for recreational and financial purposes. We're all (WHO IS THIS WE? YOU ARE PRESUMPTUOUS WITH THE ALL) so angry with a small-town mayor for allowing sewage to be dumped in the lake, yet it seems most of us want it preserved so we can race our boats up and down and dump fuel and garbage in it (and teach our grandchildren to do the same).(MANY OF US DO NOT DUMP FULE AND GARGABE AND DON'T HAVE GRANDCHILDREN AND MANY WITH GRAND CHILDREN DON'T DO THESE THINGS) Is anyone thinking about the water crisis we will likely face in the near future?(WHAT FACTS TO YOU HAVE TO ESTABLISH THAT WE WILL HAVE A WATER CRISIS IN THE NEAR FUTURE?)(DID THEY COME FROM YOUR ANUICE)
Rest assured that APCO does have highly qualified experts that they pay very well to look after the best interest of the lakes and rivers of Alabama. (DID YOU CHECK THE QUALIFICATIONS) These same lakes and rivers are a main source of revenue for them.(ANOTHER FACT FROM YOUR ANUICE?) Why would they NOT look after them. And not all of us are angry at the mayor for the incidental dumping that occured. Some of us are rational, and understand the complexities of that situation, but your point is not lost in regards to pollution.
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LifeTime Laker
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In the future....
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9/13/2007 4:38:49 PM
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.... please make sure your flames are directed at the intended party....LAMO. You say you are going to flame me, but then flame the original poster. Sad. Sad. Sad. The forum expects better from you lakeman (because that is who I believe you really are). I may take time later to go though and point out your idiiotic comments one by one, but for now I don't have time. I have puddin to stir elsewhere.
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LifeTime Laker
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9/13/2007 4:42:04 PM
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Yea, I gave up on arguing the nuances of the liberal agenda quite some time ago. That is why me and my sister #3 don't talk politics.
"Never try to teach a pig to sing, it wastes your time and annoys the pig"
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CAT BOAT
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ANSWERS FROM SOMEONES ANUICE
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9/13/2007 4:53:49 PM
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CAT just fell out in the floor.
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Kizma Anuice
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In the future....
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9/13/2007 4:55:43 PM
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.... please make sure your flames are directed at the intended party....LAMO(WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?). You say you are going to flame me,(WHEN DID I SAY THAT?) but then flame the original poster. Sad. Sad. Sad. The forum expects better from you lakeman (because that is who I believe you really are). I may take time later to go though and point out your idiiotic comments one by one, but for now I don't have time(YOU HAVE NOTHING BUT TIME SINCE THE BURGER JOINT SHUT DOWN). I have puddin to stir elsewhere
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9/13/2007 5:00:15 PM
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I can appreciate anyone who quotes Twain. Good thing or I might think I'd been called a left-winger and a pig, a risk I took posting here, to be sure. Thanks for the insight. I've learned what I need to know.
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lamont
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9/13/2007 5:09:49 PM
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Kizma needs to lay off the sauce. Not only is he directing his venom at the wrong poster but, he doesn't seem very coherent. Although, I must admit, he does provide some entertainment value...... in a twisted kind of way.
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OK Mythbuster
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9/13/2007 5:11:21 PM
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We have a delima. I say I quoted Lazurus Long from the Robert Heinlein book "Time Enough for Love". More pointedly from "excerpts from the notebook of LL"
Exstacy Point says it is Twain.
Set the record straight!
I am going to be dissapointed if RH quoted MT without credit. But then again, maybe the reader is supposed to be smart enough to know it is a Twain quote.
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The sad thing is that even when pointed out, he doesn't see the error in his posts.
It would be funny if it weren't so sad.
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ecstasypoint
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9/13/2007 5:59:37 PM
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I sure wish those .01 percent of people who dump trash and fuel in the water would stay out of my neighborhood. They are making an enormous amount of work for 8 and his grandchildren. Mr. Mythbuster, here is a mystery I have always wanted to know the answer to: with 750 miles of shoreline, why do fisherman race across the water and then park at my dock for hours. Are there no fish on the other several hundred miles? Do the fish get away if you don't make a bunch of noise early in the morning?
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MythBuster
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OK Mythbuster
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9/13/2007 6:20:24 PM
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I believe LTL is correct on this one; the quote is from Lazarus Long, who actually is a creation of author Robert Heinlein. ("Long" also said "Always listen to experts. They'll tell you what can't be done, and why. Then do it.")
However, a web search will deliver several sites that use the quote and attribute it to Twain. But websites that are specifically about quotes and who first said them attribute the saying to Long/Heinlein. My guess is that those sites that attribute it to Twain are using the "I read it on the internet so it must be true" line of thinking.
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LifeTime Laker
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Thanks Myth
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9/14/2007 9:08:05 AM
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I did a little research myself last night befroe I had to leave. I thought it was a Heinlein original. Now I am sure. Lazarus had MANY wise things to say, i.e., "get yor first shot off fast, this should startle your opponent and give you time to make the second shot accurate".
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