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Yankee06
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How good is socialized medicine--not very!
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3/1/2010 3:40:16 PM
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Hey y'all,
-You just gotta love politicians, --no mater what country. And you just gotta love politicians that want socialized medicine for you and me, ----but not for them.
Here's an interesting read that, in my opinion, should end all discussion about government-run health care. I'm not talking about heath care reform, --that's needed! ...but government-run health care?.....
'My heart, my choice,' Williams says, defending decision for U.S. heart surgery
By Tara Brautigam (CP) – 6 days ago
An unapologetic Danny Williams, Canada's Newfoundland and Labrador Premier, says he was aware his trip to the United States for heart surgery earlier this month would spark outcry, but he concluded his personal health trumped any public fallout over the controversial decision.
In an interview with The Canadian Press, Williams said he went to Miami to have a "minimally invasive" surgery for an ailment first detected nearly a year ago, based on the advice of his doctors.
"This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late Monday from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla.
"I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for myself when I entered politics."
The 60-year-old Williams said doctors detected a heart murmur last spring and told him that one of his heart valves wasn't closing properly, creating a leakage.
He said he was told at the time that the problem was "moderate" and that he should come back for a checkup in six months.
Eight months later, in December, his doctors told him the problem had become severe and urged him to get his valve repaired immediately or risk heart failure, he said.
His doctors in Canada presented him with two options - a full or partial sternotomy, both of which would've required breaking bones, he said.
He said he spoke with and provided his medical information to a leading cardiac surgeon in New Jersey who is also from Newfoundland and Labrador. He advised him to seek treatment at the Mount Sinai Medical Center in Miami.
That's where he was treated by Dr. Joseph Lamelas, a cardiac surgeon who has performed more than 8,000 open-heart surgeries.
Williams said Lamelas made an incision under his arm that didn't require any bone breakage.
"I wanted to get in, get out fast, get back to work in a short period of time," the premier said.
Williams said he didn't announce his departure south of the border because he didn't want to create "a media gong show," but added that criticism would've followed him had he chose to have surgery in Canada.
"I would've been criticized if I had stayed in Canada and had been perceived as jumping a line or a wait list. ... I accept that. That's public life," he said.
"(But) this is not a unique phenomenon to me. This is something that happens with lots of families throughout this country, so I make no apologies for that."
Williams said his decision to go to the U.S. did not reflect any lack of faith in his own province's health care system.
"I have the utmost confidence in our own health care system in Newfoundland and Labrador, but we are just over half a million people," he said.
"We do whatever we can to provide the best possible health care that we can in Newfoundland and Labrador. The Canadian health care system has a great reputation, but this is a very specialized piece of surgery that had to be done and I went to somebody who's doing this three or four times a day, five, six days a week."
He quipped that he had "a heart of a 40-year-old, so that gives me 20 years new life," and said he intends to run in the next provincial election in 2011.
"I'm probably going to be around for a long time, hopefully, if God willing," he said.
"God forbid for the Canadian public I won't be around longer than ever."
Williams also said he paid for the treatment, but added he would seek any refunds he would be eligible for in Canada.
"If I'm entitled to any reimbursement from any Canadian health care system or any provincial health care system, then obviously I will apply for that as anybody else would," he said.
"But I wrote out the cheque myself and paid for it myself and to this point, I haven't even looked into the possibility of any reimbursement. I don't know what I'm entitled to, if anything, and if it's nothing, then so be it."
He is expected back at work in early March.
Copyright © 2010 The Canadian Press. All rights reserved.
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Talullahhound
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How good is socialized medicine--not very!
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3/1/2010 5:37:04 PM
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No kidding. No one wants socialized medicine. Lots of Canadians want to come to the US when they get seriously sick. One of my best friends is a Canadian and a retired nurse. Even she doesn't think their health care is very good in a serious emergency. Their system is set up to accomodate the routine.
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MartiniMan
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Au contraire.........sadly
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3/2/2010 9:52:45 AM
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Hound, when you say no one wants socialized medicine I would beg to differ. For sure Obama/Reid/Pelosi and the other big government leftists want socialized medicine. My guess is that around 20% of the country, if not a little higher, actually believe the propaganda or are so ideological in their love of government that they actually want this. The vast majority of them either already live off the government or are true socialists/marxists.
So when you say "no one" you really mean to say "no one with a brain"! :-)
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GoneFishin
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Au contraire.........sadly
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3/2/2010 12:16:56 PM
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Martini, define socialized medicine. Is Medicare socialized medicine or government insurance? Is state umeployment insurance that you as a businessman pay into socialized insurance or a state managed insurance plan?
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MartiniMan
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Semantics don't matter
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3/3/2010 9:46:03 AM
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Here is the definition of socialism for you but it really doesn't matter.
"any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods"
I already know what you plan to argue and it is pointless. Whether this particular bill gets us socialized medicine when passed or in some uncertain time frame down the road it really doesn't matter. Government will essentially control the health care system initially through the control of health insurance. And like all tyrannies as the black market takes over you will see persecution and further control of the system once the sheople come to rely on government for their health care.
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MartiniMan
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Semantics don't matter
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3/3/2010 10:00:48 AM
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Here is the definition of socialism for you but it really doesn't matter.
"any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods"
I already know what you plan to argue and it is pointless. Whether this particular bill gets us socialized medicine when passed or in some uncertain time frame down the road it really doesn't matter. Government will essentially control the health care system initially through the control of health insurance. And like all tyrannies as the black market takes over you will see persecution and further control of the system once the sheople come to rely on government for their health care.
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