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lotowner
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Zimbabwe
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10/14/2009 3:34:55 PM
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Do we see any similarities between Rhodesia and the USA? I heard a commentary this AM from Neil Boortz which was scarry.
Simplified, Look back at Rhodesia. White European settlers came to this land in Africa several hundred years ago. Through hard work, large farming areas were developed. This country became the bread basket of Africa.
Then came independence where the Blacks were the majority and gained power. What happened? Farms were confiscated from white owners with zero compensation; white owners murdered; the lucky left the country. The farms were divided up and given to the to the blacks. Have you ever heard the name Mugabe?
The country's name was changed to an African name, Zimbabwe. What is the situation today? Utter disaster. Inflation out the top! The country cannot feed itself. Human rights are non existent. Mugabe tolerates no protest from anyone in the country.
Could this happen to the USA?
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Yankee06
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10/14/2009 4:17:32 PM
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Could runaway inflation and economic chaos occur in the USA --My answer is "yes", ....BUT, ...not for the same reasons as they occured in Zimbabve.
-The USA eco-pol model and the Rhodesia eco-pol modwl might be similar in some respects (but I'd even debate that) but the models for the takeover groups (Blacks in Rhhodesia and Socialists in America) are way different.
-Those that took over from the primarily white governing body in Rhodesia had been denied real participation in the governing of Rhodesia for decades. They had been denied adequate education. There business experience was not widespread. THus the faiure to assimilate the blacks into teh eco-pol culture of Rhodesia prior to change was a primary cause of the chaos that followed. The whites had only themselves to blame.
-That model does not apply to the USA. Our possible road to catastrophy will be built by people (leftists and socialists) who are an integral part of teh present ruling class. They are an integral part of teh education class,--in fact, they almost run the entire national education system. They have been prepared to rule in many areas, ----except one, ...economics. They have little understanding of how to construct and run an economic system that will produce a progressive (not in the political-social sense) economy that will grow, expand, diversify, and innovate. No socialist economy anywhere has ever done this, ...and my guess is that none ever will.
-Could we end up in economic and social chaos/ --yes. But it won't be for teh same reasons as Rhodesia. Boooooooo for Bortz on this one.
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wix
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Yankee
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10/14/2009 5:49:12 PM
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Re-read your post. You pointed out distinct similarities while trying to show dis-similarities. Blacks in US scream that they have not had equal opportunities, education, etc since slavery days. Zimbabwe may have not prepared their blacks for assimilation and they failed after taking over. Do you think the blacks, hispanics, ultra liberals, etc, are any better prepared, even though everything has been made available to them and free in most cases. Our situation is very similar only for a different reason. Blacks in Zimbabwe were deprived, our folks fail to take advantage of the best opportunity on earth. The result will be the same.
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lotowner
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10/14/2009 7:37:32 PM
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More thoughts from the American Thinker. For the full article, see below.
Philosopher Ayn Rand warned us decades ago of the dangers we were in for by playing racial politics. Her words from 40 years ago sound prophetic:
Whenever a country's criminal laws are more lenient than its civil laws, it means the country is accepting the basic principle of statism and is moving toward totalitarianism. . .What about the rights and liberties of the honest, the educated, the self-supporting, the majority? . . .
The altruists are now. . . struggling to induce racial guilt -- by proclaiming that people must suffer and pay for the (alleged) sins of their father.
There is no such thing as collective guilt. . This country has no guilt to atone for in regard to its black citizens. Slavery was an enormous evil. But a country that fought a civil war to abolish slavery has atoned for it.
How can an individual be held responsible for the views of others, whom he has no power to control? What can make him responsible for them? The answer we hear is: The fact that his skin is of the same color as theirs.
If this is not an obliteration of morality, of intellectual integrity, of individual rights, of the freedom of man's mind, of the First Amendment, you take it from here; I can't -- it turns my stomach."
URL: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/why_white_america_chose_obama.html
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Yankee06
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Wix
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10/14/2009 8:20:06 PM
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Wix
-I reread my post as you asked, but I don't see the situation as you do.
-In Rhodesia, it was really a clash of the White ruling class, and mainly,-although not entirely, a black under class of the non-educated and opportunity-deprived. Those who came to power were not ready in any area .
-I don't see that in America of teh 21st century. Although I know alot about the abuses of the Civil Rights effort of teh last 50 years, I also know alot about its successes. I have worked in support of many Civil Rights effort. A well-educated, formally trained, and capable black and hispanic class presently participates in keeping our country running. When I see chaos coming in America's future, it's not from that group, nor is it from teh undereducated, underemployed,etc. It is from the leftist therorists and politicians, who see themselves better than some, smarter than most, and possessing the answers for all.
-This revolt of the "intellectual elite" has been the socialist way of takeover from Castro in Cuba to Lenin in Russia.
-reference Rand, --I love Ayn Rand and have read all her novels several times. As I understand her, she did not fear the workers and farmers as much as she did the social theorists.
-Its not the poor in the ghettos that will steal America's future, it is the fools in congress and academia. The Czar brian trust and the fool-politicians are the ones who have the best chance of turning Orwell and Rand from novelist-philosphers into prophets.
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wix
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Yankee
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10/15/2009 9:39:23 AM
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I agree with your post about the makeup of the leadership of the left, but you must remember that, at least in the US, the socialists must have the support of the blacks and other suposedly underprivileged minorities or they can not take power via the ballot box. Those who support the socialist leaders are just as guilty as the perpetrators. The problem I point to is the fact that these masses of voters supporting socialist leaders have Chosen to remain uneducated, unprepared, and uninformed; therefore, they are the willing accomplices.
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Yankee06
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Wix
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10/15/2009 11:17:31 AM
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-You are right that the left needs the votes of the different "underprivileged" groups to get elected. But that's a different issue from what we were discussing above.
-We were discussing if chaos of the type that has occured in Zimbavwe could happen in the US, --the result of totally unprepared minorites taken over and running the government.
-If the true socialists (the czar brain trust) gets control, and the government becomes truely socialist, it is the socialst elite who will control the country from the center (DC and State houses) and the mini-elites will contol in the suburbs and the gansters will control in the urban areas, --all pretty much like it is now. However, what will change is teh implementation of central control of the economy which historically has meant death to effective, expanding, innovative businesses.
-So yes, teh leftist depend on teh underprivilged to vote them into office, but once in the underprivileged remain basicly out of the "ruling business" except in urban areas, pretty much as it is now.
-Now it is also true that the right also depends on its constituencies to get its leaders into power. Some of those constituencies are also uneducated, uninformed, and unprepared.
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