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Name:   architect - Email Member
Subject:   Someone we should all learn from:
Date:   3/22/2013 8:02:08 AM (updated 3/22/2013 8:03:35 AM)

When presented with new and solid evidence...

"It often happens that scientists say 'you know, that is a really good argument; my position is mistaken' and then actually change their mind....They really do it.  It doesn't happen as often as it should because scientists are human too and change can be painful.  But, in science it does happen, it happens every day.  I cannot recall something like that ever happening in politics or religion."

Dr. Carl Sagan



Name:   wix - Email Member
Subject:   Someone we should all learn from:
Date:   3/22/2013 11:15:54 AM

Happens all the time in religion.  Losers have the revelation that there is no God; that they are their own god and don't accept the concept that there is anyone or anything more powerful than them and the guvment.  Winners accept that there is a God guiding their lives, if they will only shut up long enough and listen. 

Real science deals with real facts and is easily proven or disproved.  Notice I said real science.  Heard the other day that scientists have theorized that the universe (big bang theory) is 80 million years older than they thought.  Who cares when God created the universe?  The big bang theory just supports the biblical version of creation.

Politics is pure BS.  Mostly falls into the Losers category above.  "Serving the People" is a politicians way of saying he is God.



Name:   MartiniMan - Email Member
Subject:   Was he really that ignorant???
Date:   3/23/2013 3:00:13 PM (updated 3/23/2013 3:16:16 PM)

Politicians change their minds all the time about all sorts of issues as does the general public (as we see in the multitude of polls where one week a majority believes in one thing and the next week it switches around).  I am sure they had politicians and polls before Carl assumed room temperature, right?  Hard to believe you want me to learn something from someone that could say something so profoundly stupid....assuming of course you have the critical thinking skills to use facts, logic and reason which is sadly lacking in this world these days.  Just one recent example is the change of heart of Sen. Portman about gay marriage but even more to the point is the most common of all political perjoratives - flip flopper.  I can assure you that term existed before Carl went to his eternal reward which is why he demonstrates his profound ignorance by making such a stupid statement.

Same is true in religion which is why we have over 30,000 Protestand sects in this country.  Yes, there are certain objective truths out there but why would anyone want to abandon something that was true? Oh I forget, liberals do that all the time if it makes them feel good about themselves.   

So if this is a statement from someone we could learn from I would say we are all doomed.......but alas, we are not because I have demonstrated it to be demonstrably false.  So he was either profoundly ignorant or is a liar.......which is it?

Oh and on a final note, I would remind you that Carl never changed his mind about his religious belief in atheism but that little inconsistency probably eluded his self proclaimed brilliance......although there are lots of very brilliant former atheists......



Name:   MartiniMan - Email Member
Subject:   Claire McCaskill proves Sagan was dumb
Date:   3/25/2013 5:25:41 PM

Yet another in a long line of flip floppers with her changing position on gay marriage. Must have seen a poll and decided to switch. Man, I just don't think I can learn anything from someone so I'll informed as Carl Sagan. Maybe a leftist can, but not me........







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