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autiger
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BOAT BAN BILL
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6/7/2006 6:48:26 PM
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Gerald Dial who authored the boat ban bill was BEAT in the primary by Kim Benefield!!What comes around goes around.
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Osms
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BOAT BAN BILL
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6/7/2006 8:08:17 PM
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His bill wasn't tough enough!!
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babygirl
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BOAT BAN BILL
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6/7/2006 8:54:16 PM
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Amen autiger!!!!!!!! I quess that the people that HAD the opportunity and the right to voice their opinion, did so yesterday. Guess he didn't have as many supporters as he thought he did!!!!!! Sometimes BIG money doesn't always prevail. Hope APCO and the developers slipped him enough money to support him for a while. : )
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JMSD
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BOAT BAN BILL
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6/7/2006 9:01:41 PM
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The silent majority did not show up to the voting polls yesterday or maybe the silent majority that we all keep hearing so much about does not exist. I have heard repeatedly that the reason that the boat ban bill passed was because the majority of the people on and around the lakes affected strongly supported it. If that was the case, I would have thought that Senator Dial would have been overwhelmingly re-elected. I suppose the people who were against the boat ban bill finally got their say, with the right to NOT re-elect him as their senator.
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copperline
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BOAT BAN BILL
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6/7/2006 9:40:04 PM
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This issue just won't die. The ban on high speed, off shore racing boats on inland waterways was not a conspiracy designed to make more money for some large corporation, nor was it an example of a failure of representative government to enact the people's wishes. The majority of people don't own these boats, and don't care to. The majority of lake users are folks with regular boats, and kids, and safety concerns. That's what this is about. Safety & the Quality of a Lake. Not freedom of speech. Not freedom of expression,. Not a conspiracy to suppress the rights of folks who want to put an open-sea racing boat on a fresh water lake.
Think about it for a second. If not for a limits like this, what would stop someone from launching a old coal barge built with a dozen condos and then dragging it around the lake with a tug?
There really has to be a time when rational limits would be placed on speeds and vessels to insure the investments & tranquility we have at this lake. The bill constains plenty of compromises that will allow for lots of speedy fun boats for those of us inclined to put money into them. Quit looking for more complicated reasons for the ban than that. And as far at Mr. Dial goes, if he didn't sponsor the bill somebody else would have. It was going to have to be.
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autiger
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BOAT BAN BILL
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6/7/2006 11:14:30 PM
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Dial sponsored the bill because of pressure from Ga. developers.People are upset because of the way the bill was pushed through without the people knowing about it until it was to late.A speed limit would to me have been a better thing for safety.Did Dial lose because he sponsored the bill? No.
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babygirl
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BOAT BAN BILL
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6/7/2006 11:37:50 PM
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Good point autiger!!!!! A speed limit would have been a better solution(and lessons in respect for others is another great option). As I have said all along, the operator of the vessel is the problem. Big boat, fast boat, little boat, jet ski, paddle boat, etc. The problem is the operator. Not ALL operators of boats that have been sterotyped by this bill are unrespectful to their surroundings or fellow lake lovers. As someone posted earlier, one bad seed, can infect the whole crop.
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Adios
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BOAT BAN BILL
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6/8/2006 2:07:41 AM
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OK - I've "thought about it for a second" and have come to conclusion that you''re either a political lackey or an idiot.
The reason "this issue won't die" is because a) normal people know that politicians are naturally subservient to the interests of Big Business,and b) the ban has nothing to do with safety.
My "regular boat" was outlawed, and I had to fight to get it grand-fathered (lucky me)... even though it's slower and generates less wake than our Waverunners. So now the Legislature affords me the opportunity to keep/pay higher license fees for the boat, but I can "terrorize the lake" via WR at will and without added expense? Thanks much - Brilliant Legislation.
My "regular guy" lake-front property(s) ownership was never asked for an opinion regarding the ban. Thank you Rep. Dial for your interest.
It's a better use of our time to debate the politics of this mess - and disregard the "regular people/safety/environmental qualityy" obfuscation that you (and Dial) continue to promote. We all know it's complete BS.
Best wishes to (former) Rep. Dial in his future real estate career...
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copperline
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BOAT BAN BILL
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6/8/2006 7:40:47 AM
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And if you got your boat grandfathered in, then aren't you a privileged special interest group? You got a tailor made exemption to the law.
Your assertion that we need to 'debate the politics' of all this is a dodge... an attempt to win a debate by directing it into an arena where obfuscation would be truly endless.
I'm not a "political lackey" or an idiot. Keep your insults to yourself. Remember the etiquette of the forum .... No Defamation.
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Smitty
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BOAT BAN BILL
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6/8/2006 8:28:52 AM
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Why does every problem in Alabama get blamed on Georgia? Beginning to think Alabama is the most insecure state in the union.
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roswellric
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BOAT BAN BILL
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6/8/2006 9:05:46 AM
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Great, great response! LOLOL
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HTMLman
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BOAT BAN BILL
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6/8/2006 10:50:18 AM
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Speed limits are very hard to enforce. RADAR guns work on the reflected image of the subject. See stealth bombers. A motorcycle cannot be detected until it is 1/16 mile away. Why do you think police hade behind bushes?
A sleek speed boat might also rquire to be within 330 feet to acquire the target. It would require an airplane and known distances with a stop watch.
Most tournament bass boats have 225hp. with some going to the new 300hp. These should push 80mph.
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greycove
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BOAT BAN BILL? Not sure...
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6/8/2006 11:43:55 AM
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Boat ban may not have helped, but our local paper listed several Alabama senators who collectively gave $270,000 to Dial's opponent. These are sitting senators. Curious. Why would they want him out? Dial claims he stepped on some toes by opposing pork payouts from some of these senators to some of their powerful constitutents. Maybe he was partly the victim of powerful interest in the legislature.
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Pier Pressure
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BOAT BAN BILL
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6/8/2006 1:34:55 PM
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HTMLman, your assessment of radar capabilities is very interresting. Perhaps you have gained alot of physics insight while sitting at your keyboard? Or perhaps you are a police officer? I know I am not one, and that I have no clue what the capabilities and limitations of the differing types of traffic radar. You will not see a police officer making statements on this board concerning limitations/capabilities of their equipment. It is in their best interest to stay out of this debate. My father is a 24 year veteran police officer. My Step Mother is an 18 year veteran traffic officer. She has operated traffic radar for this entire time. The statement made by them is that lidar would not be affected whatsoever by wave action of the water, and that they can pinpoint their beam at the windshield or bow or any other part of a boat and get a very accurate speed reading. My guess is that the marine police want to focus their energy productively...
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4PAR
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BOAT BAN BILL
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6/8/2006 1:41:00 PM
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Thank you. I totally agree. Just because somebody has the ways and means to purchase any kind of boat that they wish doesn't mean they should be able to put it any where they want. Lake Martin is a beautiful lake not a bay or ocean and we need to fight to keep it that way.
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| Name: |
autiger
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Dial
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6/8/2006 9:35:57 PM
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I live in one of the counties Dial represented.The main reason he was not reelected was he did not help out the people.Most of his counties are rual counties and he voted against giving those counties any economic help to help bring in industry.Unlike othe senators who only cover a couple of counties,Dial was over 7 counties.Living in Chambers county I had to listen to all of his ads.Instead of telling the people how he was going to help their county all he did was bash Benefield.It was time for a change and the people spoke.
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Pier Pressure
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HTMLman
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6/8/2006 11:39:58 PM
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I was not trying to offend you, or assault your intelligence. Just pointing out that we shouldn't make quick judgements. I oppose the boat ban bill, but I can see some validity from both sides. No one will come out a victor in this battle...
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| Name: |
head
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BOAT BAN BILL
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6/9/2006 12:07:45 PM
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Would someone ask Kim to help us amend the law to adress speed limits,safe opperations of a boat and noise. No ban because of length or mph. Be fair to everyone.
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